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Taxonomy of this group is very unclear and descriptions incomplete. Plants from Tovilj-Dara are very variable - there are individuals with sharp, pointed inner segments and with wide. In article "Molecular phylogenetics of the juno irises, Iris
subgenus Scorpiris (Iridaceae), based on six plastid markers" (Botanical Journal of the Linnean Society, 2011, 167, 281–300.) just this sample is used under name of Iris popovii (or Juno popovii - according approach of Russian botanists and you, but not confirmed on gene level). Originally it was collected by Arnis Seisums who shared his plants with me and with Kew where was done genetic analyses.


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OK, after some doubts about names I put herbariums to show differences between species, but for me it is not important.


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It is Iris avromanica, collected in Iran


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Yes, in Iraq was collected Iris zetterlundii


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Da! Yes!


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Thank you, Dmitrij! I'm not so often on Plantarium, so not easy to follow all rules. Now finished scanning of old pictures and due Covid what cancelled a lot of activities, now I have free time, checking some plants, pictures etc. and so I can put something from my collection of some 5000 samples of bulbous plants.
I can't understand negative vote (zamileno) on Gymnospermium darwasicum. Both pictures are very sharp, best quality. May be due resizing according Plantrarium rules they are not so good for printing, but I can't see any faults on published pictures.


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OK, +/- fakticheski rastusciji imenno v etix trescinah, lukovici malenkije, diametrom okolo 1-1.5 cm, goru nazivali po ruski - Verbljuzja Gora - napominajet po forme dvuhgorbovo verbljuda


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Type collection means that this plant was used for type herbarium when I published this species as subsp. henrikii of Allium karataviense. The collecting data is the same as on other pictures of this taxa uploaded by me today - 2nd May, 1996 (just checked my diary of that year).


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Александр Эбель пишет:

Janis, could you add information on the date of this photo (year, month...)?

1982, the first week of May, Expedition to CA together with Tallinn BG.


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Лена Глазунова пишет:

В IPNI и TROPICOS есть ещё и Allium hissaricum Vved. Вот только это не синоним Allium alexeianum var. hissaricum Lipsky...

Allium hissaricum belongs to completely different group of Allium species - sect. Regeloprason and closest relatives are A.A. darwasicum, lipskyanum, sochense. A. nevskianum and alexeianum belongs to sect. Kaloprason


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Something more from Fritsch, 2016:

Allium alexeianum, the type species of subsect. Ligulifolia, belongs to the rather large group of subg. Melanocrommyum species possessing long elliptic to ovate leaf laminae, that are ± violet during unfolding, and later bluish-green. In anthesis, A. alexeianum (central parts of Turkestan and Zaravshan mountain ranges) is rather similar to its vicariant species A. nevskianum (Hissar mountain range) that has commonly paler flowers, but after anthesis the tepals of A. alexeianum become stiff and prickly, and those of A. nevskianum remain soft becoming only crumbled (Fritsch 2012b: 256, Figs. 61 and 62). Molecular markers (ITS sequences of nuclear rDNA, sequences of the plastid trnL-trnF region) support affiliation of A. alexeianum to sect. Kaloprason with A. nevskianum, A. caspium s. lat., and A. protensum as closest relatives; A. gypsaceum and A. aroides as well as A. sarawschanicum are more distantly related.

By the way - Allium nevskianum is crossable with A. sarawschanicum and there is reported hybrid with stipitatum by E. Dambrauskas, Lithuania


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By the way - all former pictures on Plantarium labelled as Allium alexeianum, really are A. nevskianum. In 1982, when I collected the first bulbs from this complex in Varzob gorge, initially I identified them as A. alexeainum, too. I was very inexperienced and only started my collections, but later I soon discovered mistake. There is excellent publication about CA Allium taxonomy in which you will found following key:

40. Flowers broadly funnel-shaped, tepals lanceolate, patent, dirty red or greenish-brown, in the dry state prickly by a thick stiff median vein (77) Allium alexeianum
40* Flowers narrower funnel-shaped, tepals narrowly lanceolate, somewhat recurved, pink to purplish, in the dry state soft becoming only crumbled (79) Allium nevskianum

See: A Preliminary Review of Allium subg. Melanocrommyum in Central Asia by Reinhard M. Fritsch. Leibniz-Institut für Pflanzengenetik und Kulturpflanzenforschung Gatersleben (IPK), 2016

Unfortunately it was not published in printed form (lacking of financing) but only on internet. Another paper about Alliums of Iran is in printed form, too.


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I never saw Allium hissaricum, but it certainly isn't A. alexeianum var. hissaricum.
Differences between Allium nevskianum and A. alexeianum observed by me are:
Allium nevskianum - has 2 leaves, is growing on stone-slides, stem push flowerhead well over leaves, increases by bulb splitting even in wild (largest clump seen consisted from 18 bulbs), bulbs lie in ground deeply. Good grower in cultivation even in open garden.
Allium alexeianum - has only 1 leaf, is growing on "melkozemi" (flat, hard clay), flowerhead sitting on very short stem, never increases by splitting of bulb even in cultivation. Difficult to cultivate, here succeed only in greenhouse under cover.
There are smaller morphological differences, too. Seeing both in nature, no doubt that they are different.
According Fritsch, leaf number is not important as it varie in both species


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Андрей Ковальчук пишет:

Do you mean that this particular plant should be assigned to A. nevskianum if it is recognized as an independent species?

Yes, this one picture and another one of same plant in cultivation.


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Both Allium nevskianum and Allium alexeianum although superficially something similar, both are different not only by morphology and growing habitats in the wild but also genetically, and they are different in cultivation, too, so joining of both under one name is incorrect. See WCSP and IPNI.
Best wishes


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cultivated in my garden, Latvia, Cesis distr. Jaunrujas


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Incorrect name! Not zagricum! Published as Iris zetterlundii!


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Wrong spelling in caption for search of taxon - eranthioides, correctly according IPNI - eranthoides
Janis Ruksans


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Tulipa berkariense was published 25th-01-2019 in International Rock Gardening, see link
http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/logdir/2019 … ry2019.pdf


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Crocus puringii until recently was regarded as a population of C. speciosus growing in Crimea, although quite long ago, in 1983, C. Brighton, B. Mathew and P. Rudall had established that the plants from Crimea have a different chromosome number and a completely different chromosome morphology. The same high chromosome number (2n=18) is found only in one other sample from S Turkey (S of Beyşehir, Konya Province, most likely C. brachyfilus) but its chromosomes are of dissimilar morphology and the distance between the two species is far too long to imply identity.
Crocus speciosus has 2n=14 and of very different morphology (plants from Georgia and Armenia, Brighton et al., 1983).


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I'm growing them under cover - in large polytunnel, so they all are blooming with me in March, together with crocuses. If picture is from wild, the data is attached.


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We are living in separate house. In Latvian country houses has names, they are not localities. Our house-name is Jaunrujas and by present administrative division of Latvia we are living in Pargaujas novads (oblastj), vilage (selsovet) Raiskums, dom (xutor) Jaunrūjas. V sovetskoje vremja nazivalosj Cesiskij raion, selsovet Raiskums, xutor Jaunrujas. No mi poljzujemsja uslugami pochtovovo otdjelenija v sosednem sele Stalbe, chto blizhe k nashemu domu. Poetomu pochtovij adress inoi.

Relating dates of pictures. As they are cultivated plants, the date is not so important - it changes from year to year. All our bulbs are grown inside polytunnels, so blooming time in open garden would be different. Reticulate irises (170 samples, acquisitions/losses of 2018 not included) blooms in March, together with crocuses (1717 samples, last acquisitions not included)) or slightly later. Nursery is not large - under cover in total 1000 sq.m., perennials (non-bulbous) are grown outside (around 0.5 ha) apr.1000 names. We are working 3 persons - I, my wife and daughter, with help of granddaughter and occasionally I'm asking some neighbour to help with heavy jobs, as preparing of soil mix (I'm 73).


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Владислав Григоренко пишет:

Янис, а Ваша живая коллекция располагается в Саласпилсе, Риге или ещё где-нибудь?

P.S. Под данным снимком я черновик подписи набросал, можно редактировать дальше...

No, my collection (more than 5000 samples of hardy bulbs) is near Cesis (12 km distance by road to Limbazhi) - at my nursery, where I'm working with my wife - she is breeder of Phlox and has one of the best collections of Hosta and other perennials in Latvia. Our daughter works on Paeonia.