After my inquiry, Tamar Galtsjan replied:
The Armenian institute of botany insists that Orchis adenocheila is not found in Armenia. Actually, it is not even recorded in the list of the Armenian plants. And that pale form I found among the population of Orchis purpurea subsp. caucasica.
Stanislav Gloc
1 2023-06-04 12:14:42
Re: Orchis purpurea ssp. caucasica (7 ответов, оставленных в Растения на фото)
2 2022-04-08 07:07:12
Тема: Orchis purpurea ssp. caucasica (1 ответов, оставленных в Растения на фото)
In my opinion it is Orchis militaris subsp. stevenii.
3 2016-12-27 11:14:26
Re: Orchis purpurea ssp. caucasica (7 ответов, оставленных в Растения на фото)
I also believe that it is Orchis adenocheila.
4 2012-07-17 18:39:36
Тема: Orchis schelkownikowii (2 ответов, оставленных в Растения на фото)
After a western literature this is not Orchis schelkownikowii (which is considered as synonym of Orchis punctulata) but Orchis adenocheila CZERNJAKOVSKAJA. It occurs in Azerbaijan and Iran.
5 2012-07-17 15:40:19
Re: Orchis purpurea (3 ответов, оставленных в Растения на фото)
Maybe it is another taxonomic confusion. According Kew Garden Checklist http://apps.kew.org/wcsp/qsearch.do;jse … E60CF52588 Orchis maxima is the synonym of Orchis purpurea ssp. purpurea. Kretschmar et al. in his book The Orchid Genera Anacamptis, Orchis, Neotinea writes: "Orchis purpurea ssp. caucasica is not identical to Orchis maxima, as this name is based on plants from the surroundings of Bursa (Turkey), where only Orchis purpurea ssp. purpurea appears". The distribution area of Orchis purpurea ssp. caucasica is clear: in the east of Strait of Kerch should only ssp. caucasica occur. That´s why the two plants from your site of Orchis purpurea should belong to ssp. caucasica. Furthermore O. purpurea ssp. caucasica grows in north-eastern Turkey and further to the east. All the plants that are in your site of O. maxima are identical to O. purpurea ssp. caucasica.
6 2012-07-17 10:09:15
Re: Orchis ustulata (3 ответов, оставленных в Растения на фото)
These plants from the eastern regions of Black Sea are indicated by western botanists as Orchis purpurea subsp. caucasica. They differs from subsp. purpurea mainly in the smaller flowers and the violet helmet.
7 2012-07-17 10:04:39
Тема: Orchis purpurea (3 ответов, оставленных в Растения на фото)
These plants from the eastern regions of Black Sea are indicated by western botanists as Orchis purpurea subsp. caucasica. They differs from subsp. purpurea mainly in the smaller flowers and the violet helmet.
8 2012-06-24 05:42:01
Re: Himantoglossum caprinum (10 ответов, оставленных в Растения на фото)
Андрей Ковальчук пишет:
I think that for the definitive answer one should check the type specimen of Orchis caprina Bieb.
Yes, also it is necessary to answer the question whether both the plants with dots and the plants without dots on the lip grow in Crimea.
9 2012-06-23 21:42:14
Re: Himantoglossum caprinum (10 ответов, оставленных в Растения на фото)
One more notice: according Kew Garden Checklist both H. caprinum and H. affine should occur in Crimea, see:
http://apps.kew.org/wcsp/namedetail.do; … e_id=99264
http://apps.kew.org/wcsp/namedetail.do; … e_id=99268
10 2012-06-23 18:46:34
Re: Himantoglossum caprinum (10 ответов, оставленных в Растения на фото)
Interesting situation! For (all?) western botanists the situation is clear: the plants from South-Eastern Europe and Western Turkey belong to Himantoglossum caprinum (not H. hircinum or H. adriaticum) and they have dots on the lip and plants from Eastern Turkey are H.affine - they don´t have dots on the lip. From this point of view the Crimean plants should belong to H. affine. See e.g. http://www.guenther-blaich.de/artseite. … 4-V---1IH0 and http://www.guenther-blaich.de/artseite. … rtseite549. But if the H. caprinum was for the first time described from Crimea then the taxonomy should be overworked.
P.S. You can answer Russian, I can Russian pretty well but writing is for me difficult.
11 2012-06-23 12:44:22
Тема: Himantoglossum caprinum (10 ответов, оставленных в Растения на фото)
In my opinion it is not Himantoglossum caprinum but Himantoglossum affine. H. affine has no dots on the lip. I know these plants from eastern Turkey. From my point of view all the plants from Crimea and Novorossijsk region are H. affine. The only H. caprinum on this page is the plant from Greece. I know these plants from Slovakia, Serbia, Montenegro and western Turkey. These plants have dots on the lip.
12 2012-06-22 18:41:54
Re: Orchis militaris (9 ответов, оставленных в Растения на фото)
According western botanists Orchis (militaris ssp.) stevenii differs from Orchis militaris ssp. militaris mainly in that its flowers are larger and they stand away from the stem. The angle between helmet and lip is smaller than that of ssp. militaris. At the top, the sepals weakly bend backwards. The plant from the photo fulfil these characters. Moreover the place where the plant was shot (Caucasus) speaks for ssp. stevenii.
13 2012-06-22 18:29:40
Re: Orchis stevenii (2 ответов, оставленных в Растения на фото)
According western botanists Orchis (militaris ssp.) stevenii differs from Orchis militaris ssp. militaris mainly in that its flowers are larger and they stand away from the stem. The angle between helmet and lip is smaller than that of ssp. militaris. At the top, the sepals weakly bend backwards. These characters the plants from Crimea fulfil.
14 2012-06-22 13:00:11
Тема: Orchis militaris (9 ответов, оставленных в Растения на фото)
In my opinion it is Orchis (militaris subsp.) stevenii, probably also the following photo.
P.S. You can answer Russian, I can Russian pretty well but to write is for me difficult.
15 2012-06-22 11:24:51
Re: Orchis stevenii (4 ответов, оставленных в Растения на фото)
Thank you for your answer. I think that the photo of Orchis militaris from Vladimir Savelyev (the 11th photo) from surroundings of Kislovodsk is also Orchis militaris ssp. stevenii.
16 2012-06-22 08:10:36
Тема: Orchis stevenii (4 ответов, оставленных в Растения на фото)
According some western botanists it is Orchis militaris subsp. stevenii, see e.g. http://apps.kew.org/wcsp. It is very interesting that western botanists don´t know that it grows also in Crimea, e.g. after the book "Kretschmar et al.: The Orchid Genera Anacamptis, Orchis, Neotinea" it grows in eastern Turkey, Georgia and further to the East.