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Dear Georgiy,
I confirm, that's a plant of genus Phelipanche. Do you have for a certainly determination pictures in higher definition or other pictures of this. In any case, it is a rare species which I haven't seen in a picture yet. I will try to determinate this plant. You can send the pictures please on uhlich.holger@googlemail.com. Thank you.

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Dear friends,
I think, it's not O. caryophyllacea, because of the narrow long and probably entire calyx segments. They are untypical for O. caryophyllacea.

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Yes, I think also, it's O. alba. According Zázvorka (Kvetena Cesky Republiky 6: 500. 2000) the morphotype on Salvia is O. alba subsp. major.

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Dear friends,
I think it isn't O. elatior: The stigmas are not bright yellow, the spike is very lax, the calyx segments are very narrow, almost filiform and - probably - entire, the scales below the spike fairly sparse and the colouration of the whole plant is very pale. I think it's more O. alba. What do you think?

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Dear Dimitri,
I know this possibility, but I want show the plant directly in Orowiki - beside of a link to "Plantarium" and, of course the name of the author/owner - because of following reasons:
1. I need the picture as a help for determination and in the wurst case is the target replaced, renamed or deleted and the link is "dead" and without use.
2. The determination of the critical genera Orobanche and Phelipanche needs some experience and I think, its useful to compare the result of determination with pictures of several plants or from several places directly in neighbouring of the text.
See further the discussion under O. laxissima http://forum.plantarium.ru/viewtopic.php?id=20866 

I will follow the rules of Plantarium, but with an agreement or permission of the author I think it's possible to show the picture directly. What do you mean?

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Thanks for permission.
Holger

157

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Dear Georgiy,
this is a very intersting and rare plant. Can I use this picture for the project OroWiki (considering the copyrights of course)?

You can get more informations about Orobanche camptolepis there: http://orowiki.org/wiki/Orobanche_camptolepis.

Best wishes

158

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Thanks. According to Beck (Pflanzenreich IV (261): 98. 1930) is Artemisia absinthium the most usual host of Phelipanche lanuginosa.

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Dear Oleg,
do you remember, which Artemisia-species is the host?

160

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Dear Oleg, dear friends,
yes, this is Phelipanche lanuginosa = Ph. caesia and I think, it seems to be var. borealis (Turcz.) Beck because of the longer cylindrical spikes. This is a very beautiful group of this plant.

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Dear Pavel,
last but not least I've got the following mail via Plantarium from yourself at 12.06.2011:

"Павел Евсеенков с Форум «Плантариума» отправил(а) вам сообщение. Вы можете ответить пользователю Павел Евсеенков, ответив на это письмо.

Содержание сообщения следующее:
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Yes, you can get all of my foto for your Wiki. If you need the original fullsize files I"ll send it for you."

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The bare setting of the code on Orowiki with reference to Plantarium is hardly practicable because the plants should be shown to the determination.

Should the original picture be renamed or be replaced or be deleted, the link would be without aim. Then it would be useless for the user, who looking for the help with the determination to offer a link without aim.

As far as I know, there is also no Link-Checker for Mediawiki/Wikipedia.

Therefore my request to show the picture in Orowiki, with information of the author (what I make already) and, in addition, a link to "Plantarium" for the popularity.

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Dear Pavel
OK, I have understood the problem. First I would not like to separate of all pictures only pictures of the Orobanchaceae. OroWiki is really not commercial.

Secondly I try to ask before every author for permission.

Would it be for you OK if I add every picture a link to "Plantarium"?

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Dear Alexey, can I use your pic of O. laxissima for my wikiproject http://orowiki.org, please (considering the copyrights of course)?
Holger

165

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You are very quickly :-) Can I use this picture for the Wiki, please?

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I think, this is Phelipanche caesia (syn. of Ph. lanuginosa) var. borealis et f. borealis.
Can I use this pic for my wiki http://orowiki.org, please? (Considering the copyrights of course)
With best wishes
Holger

167

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Dear Andrey,
this is Orobanche laxissima. A beautiful picture.
With best wishes
Holger

168

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Yes, I think also, we need more detailed picture. I think, this is probably Phelipanche coelestis. Do you know, which plants are possibly the hosts?

169

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Олег Берлов пишет:
Холгер Улих пишет:

can I use this picture for the wiki http://orowiki.org (considering the copyrights of course)?

It is OK.
Could you do a link to my web-site (about BAIKAL FLORA) - http://baikalflora.narod.ru

Of course. And thank you for the permission.

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Юрий Пирогов пишет:

This question needs further clarification. If you accept the citations of Galushko for O. raddeana you should take into account his indication that the inflorescens of O. raddeana is sparsely flowered as is in this photo.

Galushko encodes O. raddeana between the species of the tribe Curvatae (alsatica, grossheimii and inulae) that is between species with regularly curved dorsal line (compare also Galusko's key point 12.)

On the other hand has O. gamosepala and also the plant in the picture a clearly irregularly curved dorsal line.

The flower state (laxly or dense) is for itself taken no a sufficient character.

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Dear Oleg,
this plant is Boschniakia rossica var. flavida YUE ZHANG & J. Y. MA. I haven't seen a picture of this variety before! Congratulation! Please, can I use this picture for the wiki http://orowiki.org (considering the copyrights of course)?

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This plant is truly O. gamosepala, not O. raddeana. Both species are growing on subalpine meadows and both species have yellow stigmas. O. gamosepala is parasitic on Geranium-species, O. raddeana probably on Dorycnium and Campanula.

The original description of O. raddeana shows, that the corolla is regularly curved “Linea dorsalis aequaliter curvata”. The corolla on picture is distinctly curved basally and at the upper lip. The earlier neighbourhood of O. alba (O. alba var. raddeana) shows, that the corolla not distinctly differ from O. alba. A picture of a specimen you can see under http://orowiki.org. The calyx segments distinctly longer than at the plant on picture.

The original description of O. gamosepala shows, that this plant is blackish-red (“Flores laxe et subalterne spicati, erecti, O. Galii magnitudinis, in sicco atro-sanguinei.”). The upper lip is helmet-like (“labio superiore galeato integro vel leviter emarginato”).

I can’t clearly see, that the calyx segments on the plant are individed. They are more similar to the segments of O. gamosepala.

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Андрей Ковальчук пишет:

Это O. cumana - для этого вида очень характерны трубчатые венчики. А желтоватый оттенок, видимо, от того, что цветки уже вянут.

Yes, this is Orobanche cumana. Wonderful pictures, but unfortunately something after anthesis. I don't know: Is this plant rare in Russia or in northern Caucasus, because of the plant is not often photographed?

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Dear Jevgeniy,
this plant is Orobanche gamosepala. The plant is usually parasitic on Geranium.
Can I use your beautiful pictures of this plant for http://orowiki.org (considering the copyrights of course)?

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Dear Jevgeniy,
this plant is Orobanche gamosepala. The plant is usually parasitic on Geranium.
Can I use your beautiful pictures of this plant for http://orowiki.org (considering the copyrights of course)?